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by Karen Roderic
I have a blue point whos
sire was a seal point. The mother is a
lilac point. He is a little over a year
old. We also have a blue point female.
Compared to the blue point female, the
male is very much pink. He has rosey colored
paw pads and its hard to tell about the
nose leather. Could he be a lilac point
instead of the blue? Could he have changed
since he was registered with his litter?
I am new to this and have noticed the
different variations of the color in the
two when they are both supposed to be
Although, there are variations in the
intensity of coloring of blue points,
if you see pink overtones in the blue,
you may very well have a lilac point.
Check the pedigree for chocolate/lilacs
on the sire's side. Kittens do not change
color, say from blue to lilac, but the
dilute may take longer to develop than
the darker seal and chocolate point, so
the kitten may have appeared a blue point
as the coloring was developing on the
points. Discuss with the breeder of your
cat the possibility of having a lilac.
Send her some photos of your kitty. The
color can be changed on the registration
papers. Once again, you will want to discuss
this with the breeder of your kitty, as
she will be interested to know. You may
also send us a few photos of your boy
sitting with your blue point girl. It
may be quite obvious.
I have a lilac lynx point ragdoll boy,
age six months. How do I know if he is
blue or truly lilac, please?
Is this Ragdoll from your own breeding
or a purchased kitty? If a purchased addition
to your family, his papers, hopefully,
should have stated his true color. A lilac
point is often difficult enough to identify,
but then add the lynx markings and the
task becomes more difficult. First, check
the pedigree to verify that both parents
are chocolate/lilac or at least both carriers
for the gene (one parent of each needs
to be a chocolate/lilac). If both parents
are chocolate/lilac, then your kitty should
be visual for that gene. At this point,
you may want to do a test cross with a
known chocolate/lilac. If your boy is
a true lilac, all kittens will be variations
of chocolates/lilac. If there are no visuals,
he may be only a blue lynx point. Do you
have a few photos of your boy? We will
be happy to take a look. Best of luck
with you future litters.
Karen, I bought a seal point that might
have the chocolate/lilac gene. How can
I tell? I seen his pedigree and there
are four that are either chocolate or
lilac. The breeder stated that there was
a chance he was a chocolate carrier. What
would be my chance of me getting chocolates
or lilacs if I bred either a carrier of
the chocolate gene or a visual?
A kitten born out of one chocolate parent
will always be a chocolate carrier. When
a kitten is born from parents that are
are both only carriers, the kitten has
a 50% of carrying the chocolate gene.
If only one parent carries the gene for
chocolate, the kitten has only 25% chance
of also carrying the chocolate gene. From
the information you gave, it would be
impossible to know the genetic makeup
without a test breeding with you cat.
If possible, breed your seal point to
a visual chocolate or lilac. I recommend
breeding to a solid chocolate, as solids
are easier to identify than the pointed
chocolates and lilacs. If there are solid
chocolate/chocolate pointed babies, your
seal point is a definite carrier for chocolate.
A chocolate carrier breed to a chocolate
will produce chocolate babies at about
50%. If there are no visuals in the first
litter, a second breeding may be tried.
After two matings and no visuals, then
your seal point probably does not carry
the gene. You may also try a chocolate
carrier with your matings, but at 25%,
you may have several litters before you
see a chocolate baby, and that is if your
seal point is a carrier.
Hi Karen, what color do you think this
kitten is? 1st Photo: she is four months
old here. 2nd Photo: She is 6 months here.
No chocolate in the background. The Father
is a red classic tabby and white, mother
dominant calico and both carry dilute genes.
I don't do chocolates, but had this funky
color kitten appear in my last breeding
with the said pair.
The kitten at 4 months certainly appears
from the photo to have chocolate coloring.
She has very strong tabby markings. Without
the tabby markings, she might be considered
a chocolate calico. With the strong classic
tabby pattern throughout her coat, I think
that would fall into a color like chocolate
patched tabby and white or chocolate torbie.
The second photo at six months seems to
have faded in the chocolate coloring and
if this is true, you may just be looking
at changes in her kitten coat. The chocolate
color can pass many generations on both
sides without being a visual. If this was
the case, you may not see the chocolate
in their pedigrees. There may have also
been an ooops breeding that was not noticed
by the breeder. A copy of the parents pedigree
would be helpful in any case. The best way
to be sure if there is chocolate in that
kitty. Breed her to a solid chocolate. If
she is a true chocolate, your kittens will
be chocolate, chocolate calico, chocolate
tortie, chocolate bicolor and maybe some
dilutes. You will also have about 50% in
the red patterns out of the boys, because
of the mom's one x chromosome red gene.
Is it possible to get a chocolate and
white female kitten from a red and white
(carrying choc) male X choc and white female?
Please help, I have the said kitten, but
I am unsure now as to her pedigree.
No. When you breed your chocolate and white
female to your red and white male, all female
kittens will be calico, either regular calico
or chocolate calico. On the other hand,
your males will either be black and white
bicolor, chocolate and white bicolor or
a combination of both. You didn't mention
if your red and white male was from two
chocolate parents. If so, you would have
chocolate calico girls and chocolate and
white boys. If there is dilute (lilac or
blue), you may also see lilac and white
or lilac calicos.
How do you achieve this color genetically?
The color chocolate (dilute lilac) must
be in the genetic makeup of the cat in order
for the color to be expressed. Since the
color is recessive to black (dilute blue),
the chocolate gene must be present on both
the dam's and sire's pedigree. Carriers
for chocolate are achieved by breeding a
non chocolate to a visual chocolate, chocolate
point, chocolate bicolor or other chocolate
variety. The resulting offspring will carry
one gene for the chocolate color and one
gene for the normal color (black, seal,
etc.) The cat will be a visual black, seal,
black & white bicolor and so forth.
When any of these offspring is breed to
another carrier or chocolate, the following
generation will have approximately 25% chocolate
kittens from a carrier breeding or 50% chocolate
kittens from a chocolate to carrier breeding.
If the chocolate gene is not present in
the genetic makeup of the parents, the color
must be introduced to achieve a chocolate/lilac
in future generations.
Are solid chocolate Persians rare? I've
been told so by several people at various
pet stores. I have a 6 month old female
kitten and I want to learn more about them.
How can I tell that mine is a solid chocolate?
She is chocolate all over except by her
neck where it's lighter colored.
The first chocolate Persians appeared in
Europe. So are chocolate Persians rare?
Not really. They are not as available as
the typical black or blue Persian and a
person looking to purchase a show quality
chocolate should expect to pay twice the
cost for the same quality as the basic black.
A chocolate cat, just as a black cat, may
have a lighter ruff than the basic body
color. If your cat is a chocolate, your
cat's registration blue slip should list
your cat as a chocolate. This registration
paper should have been given to you when
you purchased your kitten. You may also
send for your cat's pedigree through the
registry of your kitten's papers. You should
also see chocolates on both sides of the
I have a chocolate Persian. What's a
Although, chocolate cats have been in existence
for some time in many breeds such as the
Siamese, the chocolate color was introduced
into the Persian breed with the creation
of Himalayan Persians. Siamese were bred
to Persians to incorporate the points (color
on ears, tail, face, and legs with white
to off white body) into the genetic makeup.
Along with the point gene, the chocolate
gene was also passed when a chocolate point
Siamese was the parent. The newly created
Himalayan breed later became a division
of the Persian breed.
Hello Karen, we are new to breeding
and would like to move toward chocolates and/or
lilac points. We currently have a tortoiseshell
female and a black CPC male. We want to purchase
a new cat (two if need be) What would you
suggest in order to get the chocolates and/or
lilac points. Can we use either of the two
we already have?
The two cats you currently have may work into
your breeding program. Make an honest assessment
of their quality to insure they will contribute
positively to your future generations. First,
and most importantly, you will need to introduce
the chocolate gene into your line. This can
be done with one cat, but two would be better.
As your male is only a carrier for the pointed
gene, you will probably make the best choice
with a chocolate point male. Purchase the
best you can locate and afford. Interview
many prospective catteries, as this male will
be the foundation of future generations. This
chocolate point bred to your tortoiseshell
will produce all carriers for the point and
chocolate genes. If you breed any females
from this litter to your black cpc male, you
will get 25% pointed kittens, but you will
not know if they carry the chocolate gene.
You may add your second chocolate, or chocolate
carrier (either a male or a female) and breed
to the kittens from that litter out of your
tortie. Those chocolate babies your cat produces,
now in your second generation, can be bred
to your black CPC male. You will produce in
this third generation, pointed and solid kittens
that all carry the chocolate gene. As your
program progresses, you may add another chocolate/chocolate
carrier. As you can see, you may be working
with two or three generations and a lot of
cats. On the other hand, you may also purchase
two chocolate point kittens at the same time
and produce all chocolate points in the first
generation. At this point, you will need to
decide if you will breed these babies to your
CPC male or outcross into another chocolate
line. I always prefer to outcross chocolates/chocolate
points to solid Persian lines of outstanding
type to keep type and vigor in the program.
These chocolate(solid or point) carriers can
then be breed back to a chocolate. Where you
start and the direction you decide to take,
will depend on the quality and vigor of your
first litter and financial investment you
can put into your program.
What exactly does it mean to be a chocolate
and/or lilac carrier? I know that both parent
cats have to carry these colors for the kittens
to be chocolate or lilac. Do the parents have
to have a pedigree full of chocolate and lilac
or just a few ancestors who carry these colors?
Quite simply, a chocolate carrier is a cat
that has the potential of producing chocolate/lilac
kittens when breed to chocolate/lilac or another
carrier. In order to be 100% certain a cat
is a chocolate/lilac carrier, ONE parent must
be a chocolate or lilac(solid, pointed, bicolor
or other chocolate variety). In this case,
it only takes one and not a storybook full
of chocolates. A cat may also be a chocolate
or lilac carrier, if one or more of its ancestors
was a chocolate/lilac. The only way to verify
that the gene is present, is to breed the
cat to a chocolate/lilac. If there are
kittens in the litter, the cat in question
is a carrier for the chocolate/lilac gene.
It may take more than one breeding, as chocolates
will appear at a rate of 50% and not necessarily
from the same litter. The recessive gene for
chocolate may be carried for many generations
being passed on at a rate of 50% from a carrier
parent. The color will stay hidden until matched
with a chocolate gene from the other parent.
After three generations without visuals, your
chance of having a chocolate carrier is less
than 12%. So, when a cat is listed as a chocolate
carrier, it is either from a chocolate/lilac
parent or has been test bred producing chocolate/lilac
kitten(s). Breeding two carriers for chocolate/lilac,
will produce chocolate/lilacs at a rate of
I raise Munchkins and have chocolate in
their background. I have a cat and kitten
of the same color and it has been questioned
as a chocolate. I would really like to send
an expert in chocolates a picture and see
what you think. If that's possible, let me
If your Munchkins have chocolate on both sides
of their parents' background, you could indeed
have chocolate cats. The breeder of your cats,
would have listed, on the kitten registration
slip, the color of those cats as chocolate.
Check the pedigree for those kitties. You
want to see chocolate/lilac on both the dam's
and sire's side, hopefully in the first generation.
However, the recessive chocolate color can
be passed many generations on both sides before
it is expressed when the two chocolate genes
are paired up. Occasionally cats are registered
the wrong color. If they look brown without
tabby markings, they could be chocolate. There
are also chocolate tabbies, but I don't think
this is what you are talking about. If you
do have chocolate kitties, the color can be
changed on the registration papers.
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